tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post7689124478277497551..comments2024-01-26T05:21:36.865-08:00Comments on Motherscribe: It took a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush and might take a Clinton to clean up after the second BushJCKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04582581376724478366noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-88216124219878915622008-02-05T10:15:00.000-08:002008-02-05T10:15:00.000-08:00Clinton's impeachment wasn't about him having an a...Clinton's impeachment wasn't about him having an affair, it was about him lying to Congress about it. I too think it was stupid both for him to lie about it and for Congress to hound him into lying about it. His fidelity or lack thereof was between him and Hillary.<BR/><BR/>As for Hillary and her demeanor - being tough, unemotional - She is acting just as any male politician would. Why is it that Hillary gained popularity when she teared up? Remember Howard Dean - he was the leading Democratic candidate until he yelled (almost screamed) in excitement at a campaign rally. Boy his popularity - and his candidacy - dropped like a stone, being accused of being overly emotional.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13690660290319444722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-13834457956005038462008-02-04T09:08:00.000-08:002008-02-04T09:08:00.000-08:00I totally agree with you on the impeachment thing....I totally agree with you on the impeachment thing. That irked me from the beginning. That whole business was just so Ken Starr could get his prurient kicks off. An affair has nothing to do with anything (does NO ONE remember JFK?). It was a huge waste of taxpayer money. And yet when we find out that the Shrub LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH about WMD, what happens? Nada. Zilch. <BR/><BR/>I am torn between Hillary and Obama. I was going for Hillary because I think she has more experience and I think Obama needs to be in the Senate longer. However, I, too, am not happy about the way either of them talk about each other. Not that it matters. Our primary is one of the last ones, so I'm trying not to get too attached to anyone.Janethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02190489990653412687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-64195897940977822952008-02-04T08:13:00.000-08:002008-02-04T08:13:00.000-08:00I'm very much a moderate, and I've voted for left-...I'm very much a moderate, and I've voted for left-leaning Republicans and right-leaning Democrats. I'm puzzled by all the people torn between Obama and Clinton, b/c it seems pretty clear to me: if you're way liberal, way lefty vote Obama. If you're more middle of the road, vote Clinton.Paula Lynn Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06815316838340973957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-44479017538904632012008-02-04T06:19:00.000-08:002008-02-04T06:19:00.000-08:00Your title is actually very backwards, in my opini...Your title is actually very backwards, in my opinion. Bush has cleaned up a lot of messes that Clinton made. I can't see anyone else handling 911 better. It's real easy to bash someone but I think we should respect the president.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-11287929616471807402008-02-03T19:21:00.000-08:002008-02-03T19:21:00.000-08:00I haven't decided whom I am voting for but I could...I haven't decided whom I am voting for but I couldn't agree with you more. Some of those questions are downright inappropriate. I have seen blogs sporting the WOMEN FOR HILLARY button recently too actually.MamaGeek @ Works For Ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09563543041234527282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-65791799239296217282008-02-03T19:11:00.000-08:002008-02-03T19:11:00.000-08:00Most people are missing the jist of Wolf's questio...Most people are missing the jist of Wolf's question. On July 24, 2007, Hillary Clinton stated that Barack Obama's comments during the July debate regarding meeting with rogue nations were "irresponsible and frankly naive". Wolf was using Hillary's own words that she used to deprecate Obama. If Wolf was being sexist, then Hillary was being racist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-71959996132685005262008-02-03T16:42:00.000-08:002008-02-03T16:42:00.000-08:00I like Hillary. I like Barack. I'm not sure who to...I like Hillary. I like Barack. I'm not sure who to choose yet.<BR/><BR/>Angie<BR/>www.AllAdither.comAngie McCullaghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13338130265872869124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-80421163725247038072008-02-02T22:48:00.000-08:002008-02-02T22:48:00.000-08:00I am so glad to see someone blog about this and I ...I am so glad to see someone blog about this and I am also glad that you thought that the "naive" question was sexist. He would have never said that to a man, I don't think. I am really torn, really torn between Obama and Clinton. I am so proud that they are our two candidates but worry the presidency might be like the vote and women will again be second. I love Obama's message, it lifts my heart, and I think Hilary is efficient and effective. Like I said, I am very, very torn.Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12916431339350682464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-5364971949254723372008-02-02T21:37:00.000-08:002008-02-02T21:37:00.000-08:00Fantastic post JCK! I just watched the debate las...Fantastic post JCK! I just watched the debate last night on the internet - Wolf totally wanted to provoke Hillary, but it failed. She handled it quite nicely.<BR/><BR/>I think that it is interesting that most young people are for Barack (at least that's what I keep hearing on the news and from friends/colleagues.) Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe that the lack of support on the internet is a backlash from the women's movement. I think that the younger generation, and others, see her as part of the political establishment, whereas Barack is seen as young and inspiring / more so the candidate for change, a possible JFK.<BR/><BR/>It is really such an exciting time - I would be happy with both nominees...I am just so fearful of all of those red states from the last election...angieuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10438655680875561450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-43416460400799076792008-02-02T20:59:00.000-08:002008-02-02T20:59:00.000-08:00i second what slouchy says. i don't care for how ...i second what slouchy says. i don't care for how she has treated her opponents in the race, and I think the ads she put up against Obama in S. Carolina were wretched, and it is said that her campaign is behind the Obama as a secret muslim rumors. (I'm an Obama fan, can you tell?) It's a shame, because I would like to like her more, but the way she has behaved really bothers me. Slouchy summed it up perfectly "I am bothered by her character."painted maypolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06446625015003854710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-17121210556360713552008-02-02T17:24:00.000-08:002008-02-02T17:24:00.000-08:00I would like to support Hillary BECAUSE she is a w...I would like to support Hillary BECAUSE she is a woman.<BR/><BR/>But I find her strategic, manipulative, and less than straightforward. She's clearly bright and knowledgeable.<BR/><BR/>But I am bothered by her character.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05602868040771218507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-3226307543682449032008-02-02T15:15:00.000-08:002008-02-02T15:15:00.000-08:00I guess it always should come down to which person...I guess it always should come down to which person shares your vision and would do what you would do if you were elected...no matter the sex or color. Good luck with you decision!Texashollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17982077447405220888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-44134616351459287732008-02-02T10:18:00.000-08:002008-02-02T10:18:00.000-08:00Hey J - I love this discussion and can't even expr...Hey J - I love this discussion and can't even express how excited I am that this country is not only going to vote either a woman or an African American man as our next President (because the Democratic vote will win this time around) - but that our country is going to finally make a change - things are going to turn and it is TIME!! <BR/><BR/>I have not decided who it is that I will vote for, but I am happy to say that I would be just as happy with either of these candidates and that is amazing to me! Usually, there is either one that obviously stands out and is "the choice" or there is no one at all! This is amazing that they both have just as good a chance because they hold equal potential and offer so much to the table. That is why I am having a hard time choosing at this stage. I wish I didn't like one more than the other - that their personality rubbed me funny - that would help. But, so far, even like them equally. I guess I am just waiting for one of them to say something or do something that will sway me one way or the other.<BR/><BR/>Have a great weekend and thanks for the discussion - KellanKellanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07882991320065439298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-15888224627413988012008-02-02T09:40:00.000-08:002008-02-02T09:40:00.000-08:00THIS is why I love you. This and many other thing...THIS is why I love you. This and many other things, of course. <BR/><BR/>Your take on the impeachment thing is something I've been ARGUING forever. For. EVER.<BR/><BR/>I think I feel another politically charged post coming on.A Mom Two Boyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14488177415635805201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-68516637078266983312008-02-02T08:10:00.000-08:002008-02-02T08:10:00.000-08:00Regarding "letting hubby fight her battles" - this...Regarding "letting hubby fight her battles" - this sounds gender-biased to me. Haven't past potential first ladies stood by their men - and said the things and fought some fights that their candidates could not get away with (Hillary, Laura, Barbara and Nancy all included)? Now a potential first gentleman is standing by his woman.<BR/><BR/>I can't hold the infidelity issue against Hillary. Some (maybe even most) marriages that have faced this challenge have and should have ended, but I think there are exceptions.<BR/><BR/>Has the spouse of a president or vice-president ever held an official post in the same administration? This sounds like nepotism. The first spouse already has considerable influence - and leeway to act - if less access to the information a Secretary of ___ would have. Otherwise, the dream team sounds good to me!ATL2WNChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11188956852181479412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-50190120255688663272008-02-01T22:08:00.000-08:002008-02-01T22:08:00.000-08:00JKC, that post was truly inspiring. I just left a...JKC, that post was truly inspiring. I just left a comment on another blog stating that Hillary is being judged far more on her demenor and appearance than intelligence and ability.<BR/><BR/>I too have been waffling. But I think now, Hillary's got me. <BR/><BR/>I think she's smarter than the rest of them. And maybe just a little wily - and I don't know that's such a terrible characteristic in a woman or a president.Manic Mommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02397835927560496425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-68582504145342574272008-02-01T21:09:00.000-08:002008-02-01T21:09:00.000-08:00More thoughts: Could it be another strong woman, f...More thoughts: Could it be another strong woman, flexing her influence? I'm thinking Oprah...<BR/><BR/>Hmmm.Lisa Wheeler Miltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07386193798727387546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-55063204694807346982008-02-01T21:03:00.000-08:002008-02-01T21:03:00.000-08:00hats off, jck. this is the perfect forum for a pol...hats off, jck. this is the perfect forum for a political discussion. <BR/><BR/>i was also surprised by the "naive" comment that was made at the debate. out of line. <BR/><BR/>year after year we have seen hillary clinton triangulating to position herself for this very moment in time, the campaign for the presidency of the united states of america. seldom, however, have we seen hillary clinton take a good solid firm stance on any one topic, with the exception of universal health care. though she has become more clear and direct with her initiatives as the campaign has developed, i still believe hillary is a slippery politician - more slippery than most. i've many times wondered, "...will the real Ms. Clinton please stand up?" and this is why i do not want to see her leading our country. i'm confident that she possesses the intelligence and the diplomacy and the hutspa to be the nation's leader, however i believe she lacks the integrity to lead with truthful authenticity. our country is in need of healer, someone we can trust, someone that other nations will trust and believe. i think that someone is more barack than hillary. however i haven't completely closed the door on this yet, there's still a little crack open, so let's keep talking! <BR/><BR/>again, thanks for initiating the great comments and thanks to everyone for sharing!. . .https://www.blogger.com/profile/18250552123712604320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-57037269219270818482008-02-01T20:34:00.000-08:002008-02-01T20:34:00.000-08:00The Canadian chimes in...first of all, y'all's pol...The Canadian chimes in...<BR/>first of all, y'all's politics is soooo much more interesting than ours. <BR/><BR/>Secondly, he called her naive? Seriously? It's 2008 for pity's sakes. What a throwback.<BR/><BR/>As for the whole staying with Bill thing, what on earth does that have to do with her ability to run a country? Who really cares? Wasn't the whole point of the women's movement to give us access to bigger and better choices? She choose to stay for whatever reason but it was her choice. <BR/><BR/>As for who to vote for, whomever you choose, it will be better than what you have currently. (Did I say that?)happygeekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14554736584093276751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-22559059586127845492008-02-01T18:47:00.000-08:002008-02-01T18:47:00.000-08:00One more thing...I guess I need to learn more abou...One more thing...I guess I need to learn more about this, but what's next if the two candidates have something close to a tie, in terms of delegates? Is that likely? How much of a sweep does one candidate need? Guess I have some reading to do.Jennifer Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16239563357592230711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-22791310242839121342008-02-01T18:43:00.000-08:002008-02-01T18:43:00.000-08:00I have impassioned opinions about all of this, too...I have impassioned opinions about all of this, too, but I have to admit that I could make a case for either Clinton or Obama. Still, I am able to more easily envision Clinton holding her own with other heads of state. I see a great spirit in Obama, but I see her backbone and knowledge and experience. Edwards was my guy (since Biden couldn't gain any traction). <BR/><BR/>In a comment on another blog today, I said that I favored Hillary's decision to stay with her husband after he cheated. I think she came at that decision in an objective way, not out of emotion, and I think that bodes well for the decisions she might make in the future. (I think she made the right one, not because I think every woman should stay with a man who cheats, but because it seemed like the right thing for her.)<BR/><BR/>Tuesday promises to be interesting. But it may not tell us much, if the numbers are too even. I do hope that all of us get out and vote in the primaries. <BR/><BR/>Good for you JCK, for opening up a discussion.Jennifer Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16239563357592230711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-85562971445599812572008-02-01T16:43:00.000-08:002008-02-01T16:43:00.000-08:00Edwards was my man, and I am still sad that he is ...Edwards was my man, and I am still sad that he is out of the race. I don't think the silence of Hilary Clinton support has to do with fear of taking a stand or the fact that she is a woman. In my case, I am so hugely conflicted that I honestly change my mind every 8 to 10 hours. I'm telling you, for me, this will be the toughest presidential election of my voting life. And yet the choices are thrilling. I think many of us just simply haven't made up our minds. The crux of my dilemna is Obama seems a bit too green and Clinton seems a bit too ripe.Mrs. G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01171997573144385692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-37611147817440362562008-02-01T16:22:00.000-08:002008-02-01T16:22:00.000-08:00My daughter's eyes light up at the prospect of hav...My daughter's eyes light up at the prospect of having a woman president. Lord knows, I want it to happen. It needs to happen.<BR/>But Hillary comes with baggage, and I was turned off by Bill Clinton's remarks last week, acting so defensive on her behalf. I don't know why, but I think it is because it felt like she was letting him fight her battles for her. Maybe that's unfair to her, holding her accountable for his actions, but she was duly condemned over remarks she made during his campaign, so maybe it is par for the course. <BR/><BR/>Yammer. Yammer. Where was I going with this? I've been surprised too. I think Obama comes across as more hopeful, more visionary.<BR/><BR/>I guess I have no answers, just more questions.Lisa Wheeler Miltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07386193798727387546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-82281321660822853112008-02-01T15:39:00.000-08:002008-02-01T15:39:00.000-08:00We do live in exciting times. Even though I suppor...We do live in exciting times. Even though I support Obama, I am just so thrilled that our nominee will be either a woman or a black. I'm not anti-Hillary, I just really like the charisma and hope that Obama exudes.<BR/><BR/>About the impeachment thing: what you said! Too true.<BR/><BR/>Someone on the radio this morning was talking about a Clinton/Obama ticket with Bill as Secretary of State and Al Gore as Secretary of the Interior. Now that would be a dream team!Jenn @ Juggling Lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14455967210924573398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3271931822987740572.post-46527900336893991682008-02-01T14:37:00.000-08:002008-02-01T14:37:00.000-08:00Ladies! Thanks so much for your thoughts. This is ...Ladies! Thanks so much for your thoughts. This is exactly what I'm looking for...an honest discussion. I'll be interested to see if people felt as outraged as I did by the "naive" comment. I'm still rattling around with that one!<BR/><BR/>JCKJCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04582581376724478366noreply@blogger.com